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Adventure Canoe Forum » Recent Posts http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ Canoe Camping & River Tripping Discussion en-US Fri, 03 Sep 2010 07:53:45 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 <![CDATA[Search]]> q http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/search.php Loading the boat for a solo trip.... http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/loading-the-boat-for-a-solo-trip#post-1949 Thu, 02 Sep 2010 15:02:59 +0000 DamnTrue 1949@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ From the town of Green River to the confluence with the Colorado it is every bit as silty as the Colorado. Too thick to drink, too thin to plow.   The 'dack is pretty close to symmetrical   <img src="http://www.wenonah.com/products/product_images/wenonah_adirondack933_cust.jpg" alt="" width="580" height="208" /> Loading the boat for a solo trip.... http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/loading-the-boat-for-a-solo-trip#post-1948 Thu, 02 Sep 2010 14:30:01 +0000 Bryan Hansel 1948@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ Good point. Isn't the Green pretty silty in places? About loading: Move stuff around until you get a good trim. I suspect you'll need weight under and behind (in front of) the stern seat to keep it down with you sitting backwards on the bow seat. Is the Wenonah Adirondack asymmetrical? If so, I'd install a center seat instead of paddling it backwards. Loading the boat for a solo trip.... http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/loading-the-boat-for-a-solo-trip#post-1946 Thu, 02 Sep 2010 13:38:21 +0000 DamnTrue 1946@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ Thought about that but.....I'm kinda worried about stuff that might be in the water that may or may not be treatable via filtration/boiling. Potash is common in the soil there as is arsenic and could very well leech into the springs that feed the various tributaries to the Green. Also, the area has quite a large number of old uranium mines. I have no idea what might have been used in the process of extracting that material (they used arsenic in gold mining) but I reckon I don't want to drink the detritus of the process. Besides, having the weight of the water in the boat will come in handy for keeping things trimmed out. I'm travelling pretty light otherwise.     Loading the boat for a solo trip.... http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/loading-the-boat-for-a-solo-trip#post-1945 Wed, 01 Sep 2010 18:36:58 +0000 Bryan Hansel 1945@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ I'm with Aggroman. You should be able to filter instead of carrying all that water. Loading the boat for a solo trip.... http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/loading-the-boat-for-a-solo-trip#post-1944 Wed, 01 Sep 2010 12:58:44 +0000 Aggroman 1944@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ Sounds like a blast. I have never been on that river, but couldn't you cut the water weight in half of more with a good quaility water filter. That's what we use here in Texas on all our river trips we take. I usually take a gallon or two but let the filter do the rest. Then I have more room for a few more luxary items. Loading the boat for a solo trip.... http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/loading-the-boat-for-a-solo-trip#post-1943 Wed, 01 Sep 2010 09:30:31 +0000 Dennis 1943@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ You could also load each end and paddle from the middle. Experience is the best teacher and you should be able to experiment on a seven day trip. Check out the Bill Mason solo paddling videos if you haven't seen them yet. Paddle to Haiti, 8 set to paddle the Mississippi http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/paddle-to-haiti-8-set-to-paddle-the-mississippi#post-1942 Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:05:25 +0000 paddletohaiti 1942@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ Over the past few months I've been helping develop the charity called "Paddle to Haiti."  We hope to raise $50,000 to donate to an affiliated organization, the Lambi Fund of Haiti that has people working hard on the long-term recovery of Haiti's population.  Starting September 3rd (this coming Friday), seven others and myself will be canoeing the entire 2,320 miles of the Mississippi River from Lake Itasca, Minnesota down to the Gulf of Mexico.  We'll be on the river for around two and a half months, and stopping in nearly every city. While we have put a large amount of time into Paddle to Haiti and our crew is strong.  But we welcome any comments, criticisms, ideas, or advice about everything from fundraising to website design to sponsorship to good things to cook while on a canoe trip.  Tell us about your experience.  Connect us with friends or relatives along the way that might be able to give us a place to sleep, an "in" with the local paper, a shower or advice about the river. We can be reached email at <a href="mailto:PaddleToHaiti@gmail.com">PaddleToHaiti@gmail.com</a> Please take a gander at our website: <a href="http://paddletohaiti.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://paddletohaiti.blogspot.com</a> Thanks for the support! Loading the boat for a solo trip.... http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/loading-the-boat-for-a-solo-trip#post-1941 Mon, 30 Aug 2010 11:33:35 +0000 DamnTrue 1941@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ In a couple of weeks I will embark on a solo trip on the Green River in Utah. 7 days, 120mi in a 16' Wenonah Adirondack. I will be paddling "backwards", ie sitting in the front seat facing aft. I weigh 230lbs. I will be bringing 10ga of water (80lbs) in 2.5ga containers and the rest of my gear incl. tent, bag, pack, food/cooking stuff (~60lbs). Should I attempt to load the stuff at the far end of the canoe to offset my weight, or keep it closer to center? Thanks, True Boundary Waters Kelso River Route http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/boundary-waters-kelso-river-route#post-1940 Tue, 24 Aug 2010 08:09:27 +0000 Bryan Hansel 1940@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ Hey, Nace, looks like you need to get out into the woods more. Either that or get off the trail and head to the west end. ;) Boundary Waters Kelso River Route http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/boundary-waters-kelso-river-route#post-1939 Mon, 23 Aug 2010 21:05:34 +0000 Nace 1939@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ I have never even heard of the dolmen before and I've been living here 10 years.  That is cool. I'll have to find out more about it.   <a href="http://www.amazon.com/You-Gotta-Get-Out-Woods/dp/0984428607/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1282618154&sr=8" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/You-Gotta-Get-Out-Woods/dp/0984428607/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1282618154&sr=8</a> <a href="http://twitter.com/NaceHagemann" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/NaceHagemann</a> Mike Galt http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/mike-galt#post-1932 Fri, 20 Aug 2010 04:24:29 +0000 easmythcrna 1932@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ I started looking at the damage to my Egret and found that the bow seat mount has separated from the hull of the canoe on one side. I also think I have some  significant wood damage on one gunwale. Does anyone have any idea how to reattach the bow seat mount or where I could find new/used gunwales? Mike Galt http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/mike-galt#post-1931 Wed, 18 Aug 2010 20:27:16 +0000 easmythcrna 1931@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ I also am sorry to hear of his passing. I have two Lotus Canoes from the early 80's, both of which I inherited from my mother in 1988. They were neglected for about 6 years and have been stored by me for 9 years. I just started restoring the furniture on mom's "bomb proof" orange Egret. If I remember correctly, it was the boat "on" the sign in about '83 when we made a vacation trip through northern Florida. The other is mom's Dandy which she restored in about '86. I hope to introduce my children to the pleasures of these fine canoes. small car http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/small-car#post-1930 Mon, 16 Aug 2010 11:23:42 +0000 watatic 1930@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ Well, made it there and back with both canoes on the Toyota Yaris. Was able to pack everything in the car except two plastic-lined peach baskets that I wedged into the canoes atop the blades of our paddles, which were lashed in. I also stuffed the bag of lifejackets in next to the baskets so it would keep them from shifting around, tying in the bag. No accidents, but the Toyota slowed down to 45-50 mph on the highways of Vermont whenever we went uphill. We all had fun on the water, paddling all over the lake for 5 days with the wildlife and fish. My daredevil boys had their choice of 3 rope swings and several cliffs over the water, while I enjoyed the Perseid meteor showers at night. Hello Everyone http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/hello-everyone#post-1929 Sun, 15 Aug 2010 03:51:23 +0000 waynewes 1929@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ Hi my name is Wayne and i'm from the UK.  I'll start by saying i'm not actually a big canoe fan as such. The reason I am on here is to gather some advice from canoe experts like yourselves to help people who visit my website find the right communities once they get into the sport.  Let me explain. I'm not sure what its like around the world but in the UK trying to find your nearest providers of adventure activities can be quite difficult so what I have done is searched the internet and compiled a national database of all these providers I can find (and I hope people will help me and add others, as if the site works I hope to take it worldwide). I am also creating blogs on the different adventures for experts to post basic advice to people new to the sport or just trying it out. From there they will be forwarded onto the right communities to get more in depth advice and meet like minded people. For example, if I can get the permission of the Admin, I would like to reprint and use some of the posts on here to create a canoe advice page (which would have links to this site). Are there any objections? Also please tell me what you think of the site, it is very new and I have had very little in the way of feedback from people who aren't my family and friends (so no feedback from people that would tell me if i'm wasting my time) Thanks for your time Wayne  White River,Mo. motorcycles BEWARE do NOT stay at River of Life http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/white-rivermo-motorcycles-beware-do-not-stay-at-river-of-life#post-1928 Thu, 12 Aug 2010 18:02:55 +0000 heyop_erator 1928@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ We booked a stay at The River of Life this past week with the owner/operators of this campground. They stated that they were located off of a gravel road that had a 1/4 mile hill. This was a huge steep graded mountain road with NO maintainence. There were a lot of wash-outs and loose sandy gravel. They had a past history of many motorcycle crashes from others who tried to descend since there were no turn arounds. They never told any of us this even though they knew we would be coming on motorcycles! We had to trailer the bike out.  BEWARE ! ! If you are pulling any type of trailer or an RV I would advise against staying at this campground. small car http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/small-car#post-1927 Thu, 05 Aug 2010 14:25:37 +0000 watatic 1927@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ Well, luckily one of the teens has backed out-- wisdom teeth were pulled and doctor said no camping. That's 200 lbs. less body- and gear-weight. I also removed a cast iron dutch oven. And I talked to a toyota mechanic today and he said the owner's manual was written by attorneys to prevent lawsuits. If I am over the weight limit but not unreasonably so, I should be alright. Just go slower and take care on turns and bumpy roads. I could drop one canoe, but it would be much better if we take two. Really looking forward to this trip. The first with my kids in a semi-wilderness setting where you paddle to your destination. And a fisherman told me there's 4'-long northern pike! (A fisherman wouldn't lie... would he?) Utica Reservoir, Sierra Nevada Range, CA http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/utica-reservoir-sierra-nevada-range-ca#post-1926 Thu, 05 Aug 2010 09:32:36 +0000 Dennis 1926@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ Wow, I'm seriously jealous. The photos are outstanding.   You have a dark spot on the upper left side of a few of your photos, something on the lens maybe.  small car http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/small-car#post-1925 Thu, 05 Aug 2010 09:06:25 +0000 Dennis 1925@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ It looks like it's time to purchase that Chevy Suburban you've been secretly lusting after.  ;-) Late start on the river http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/late-start-on-the-river#post-1924 Tue, 03 Aug 2010 11:31:11 +0000 Bryan Hansel 1924@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ One of the lightest Ti mugs is MSR Titan at 1.9 ounces. GSI's plastic mug is 1.7 ounces, and it costs $38 less. <a href="http://www.nessmuking.com/reviews/stoves-and-cooking/lightweight-camping-cups/" target="_blank">Shameless link to my review.</a> I think some people like to spend just to spend. Sealine Pro Pack Preliminary Review http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/sealine-pro-pack-preliminary-review#post-1923 Tue, 03 Aug 2010 09:42:02 +0000 Dennis 1923@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ That looks pretty substantial. I hope you and the pack both hold up well. Apple Crisp Breakfast http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/apple-crisp-breakfast#post-1922 Tue, 03 Aug 2010 09:37:29 +0000 Dennis 1922@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ Now if I can just get you to serve that to me while I am still in my sleeping bag I think we have a winner!  ;-) New Outdoor Pursuits company in Cornwall http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/new-outdoor-pursuits-company-in-cornwall#post-1921 Sat, 31 Jul 2010 00:22:24 +0000 Aberfal outdoor pursuits 1921@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ Hi Guys My name is Sam Lonsdale I own a outdoor pursuits company in Falmouth Cornwall, here's a little bit about us. Based near the Helford River, Falmouth,  Aberfal Outdoor Pursuits offers activity sessions, days and holidays in an area of outstanding natural beauty. our activities are:- Kayaking on the Helford River is a truly eco friendly way of exploring this Area of outstanding Natural Beauty. Aberfal Outdoor Pursuits will take you on a guided kayaking tour to explore some hidden creeks, paddle to spots unreachable by land or motor boat and, peer into the depths of the Helford River though clear blue waters and spy on some of Cornwall’s amazing wildlife. Archery is based in the magical gardens of Cawinion Manor Mawnan Smith, our sessions operate from our great outdoor range. Our instructors will give you the best coaching and are all GNAS registered. We will give you all the skills to be able to hit the Target and go away feeling extremely satisfied. We promise this will be an enjoyable and rewarding experience for all. Coasteering come and take part in this adrenalin fuelled outdoor activity, Coasteering is a mixture of swimming, climbing, scrambling, and traversing the rugged but beautiful Falmouth coastline. You will explore areas of the coast that you would never normally see. Coasteering is ideally a group activity that allows you to have fun with friends, family or colleagues. I hope that we can help anyone who is interested in outdoor activities to be able to take part, please check us out on-line at <a href="http://www.aberfaloutdoorpursuits.co.uk" target="_blank">http://www.aberfaloutdoorpursuits.co.uk</a> Thanks for taking the time to read this, we hope to see you out paddling somtime in the future Best Regards Sam Lonsdale (owner) 07968770757 <a href="mailto:info@aberfaloutdoorpursuits.co.uk">info@aberfaloutdoorpursuits.co.uk</a>     Retired with working spouse and kids http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/retired-with-working-spouse-and-kids#post-1920 Fri, 30 Jul 2010 11:18:36 +0000 watatic 1920@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ There are usually local outdoors clubs that would have people who would be interested in joining up with you. Many sponsor trips, and might have  someone else who is without a tandem partner. I live in the East, so that wouldn't work. We have the Appalachian Mountain Club, which is running day and overnight trips all the time. Not sure which organizations are out there. You could start with the Amer. Canoe Assn and see what they know. I think they are everywhere. I soon will be retiring, God willing, and may be 'in the same boat'. small car http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/small-car#post-1919 Fri, 30 Jul 2010 09:19:26 +0000 watatic 1919@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ I guess my question is a two-part question. First was the weight. Thank you for the helpful observations and ideas there. The second question, however, is, has anyone tried to transport gear under an inverted canoe on a car roof? How did you tie it in? Would paddles serve ok as a cargo floor for the gear to rest on? Weight aside, seems like there is ready-made cargo space up under those boats... but how to use it without having everything fall out? Teh other option would be to set the canoe upright on pads and lay the stuff in it, but if it rained hard the weight might really get out of hand.  (Let's see, how much would a 17' dagger venture weigh with 3" of water in it? 5"? How would you get it off the roof with all that water? Would the gear float?... the questions are seemingly endless.)   small car http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/small-car#post-1918 Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:16:06 +0000 watatic 1918@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ Online manual says Vehicle capacity weight (Occupants + luggage) 845 lb. (383 kg) Towing capacity (Trailer weight + cargo) 700 lb. (318 kg) (Canada only)  Even less than I thought.   small car http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/small-car#post-1917 Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:52:31 +0000 watatic 1917@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ I think I'm over the load limit. Roof rack is rated for only 160#. The two canoes are about that. Passengers and cargo max per my car manual is 980 lb. Says car "may not handle or brake normally" over that. We weigh 175 + 160 +160 + 140 = 635. After the boats that leaves room for 165 lb outfit. Time to start throwing things out. Maybe one of the kids will bail out before the trip? I could stand to lose a few pounds, too. Toyota recommends a trailer <500#, but Toyota Canada doesn't recommend a trailer at all, or maybe its visa versa. Gravity must be different in Canada... Late start on the river http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/late-start-on-the-river#post-1916 Thu, 29 Jul 2010 13:01:52 +0000 BWCAJohn 1916@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ I still play the weight weenie game... just not to the extent that I would on a hiking trip. Very true about lighter alternatives.  Plastic is probably just as light if not lighter and costs a fraction as much.  On a side note: When I worked as a bicycle mechanic I had more than one customer come in and order a complete Shimano titanium nut and bolt set.  It cost a rediculous amount for the weight savings which were probably less than an oz. or two total. Late start on the river http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/late-start-on-the-river#post-1915 Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:42:57 +0000 Bryan Hansel 1915@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ It's certainly easier to carry extra weight on canoe trips, especially on moving water. I think it's great that you can take along your CPAP machine. But, the weight weenie game is still beneficial. Every bit of weight affects performance. I'm not sure why someone would pay $35 for titanium cookware when there are less expensive and lighter alternatives. The BWCA is certainly worth putting on your checklist. If you don't want to bring your CPAP there are plenty of campgrounds right on its edges that access great day trips. Apple Crisp Breakfast http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/apple-crisp-breakfast#post-1914 Thu, 29 Jul 2010 10:20:43 +0000 BWCAJohn 1914@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ So here is a great easy breakfast that makes ordinary oatmeal a little more interesting... Ingredients: Oatmeal Apples (1/2-1 per person) Brown Sugar Butter Granola Directions: Cook oatmeal first.  While oatmeal is cooking, cut your apples into bite size pieces.  Throw the apples into a frying pan with some butter and brown sugar until they are warmed and the brown sugar has caramelized onto the apples.  Once the oatmeal is done, add the apples and granola and serve.  You can also add more brown sugar or cinnamon to taste.  small car http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/small-car#post-1913 Thu, 29 Jul 2010 10:15:27 +0000 BWCAJohn 1913@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ This reminds me of one of my favorite Boundary Waters trips that I did with a couple friends early in college. We had three of us packed into an old Ford Escort with a weeks worth of gear and food as well as a canoe on top.  It was a small miracle that we made it for the 5 hour drive without breaking down.  The car was so full of gear that I had to be literally packed into the back seat with gear on my lap, feet, and all around me.  I could barely move and my friends had to unload half the backseat just so I could get in and out.  Seemed like a small price to pay to spend a week cruising the pristine waterways of the BWCA... Sealine Pro Pack Preliminary Review http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/sealine-pro-pack-preliminary-review#post-1912 Thu, 29 Jul 2010 10:07:44 +0000 BWCAJohn 1912@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ I just picked up a new <a href="http://www.cascadedesigns.com/sealline/packs-and-duffles/pro-pack/product" target="_blank">Sealine Pro Pack</a> yesterday.  I had previously been using an older version of the Boundary Pack which had come apart where the back pack straps connect to the bag component.   The Pro Pack seems to be heavily beefed up and reinforced so I don't anticipate having the same problem again.  I'll be putting about 100 field days in with this pack over the next 4 months in the Tongas National Forest so we'll see how it holds up to some serious use. small car http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/small-car#post-1911 Thu, 29 Jul 2010 09:56:13 +0000 James 1911@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ Hmm... Well I used to have a 4500lb Mercedes wagon, with a 17' canoe on the roof it got blown around on the highway. According to the Toyota site your car weighs in at 2311lbs. Cars do funny things when they're top heavy and overloaded.  I'm sure you have some nice boats but it may be safer in the long run to put your gear on the roof and rent canoes at your destination. I've paid 40 bucks for a shuttle where the rental was $50...throw in the the Merc took a 7mpg hit with the boat on top and it's an easy decision.    Late start on the river http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/late-start-on-the-river#post-1910 Thu, 29 Jul 2010 09:23:47 +0000 BWCAJohn 1910@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ One of my favorite things about canoe tripping is the ability to carry loads that far exceed what you could bring along on a hike.  Better food, better creature comforts and you don't have to play the weight weenie game ($35+ for titanium cookware??).  I have heard the Allagash is great.  I would also recommend making it out to the BWCA/Quetico if you are every in northern MN/southern Ontario.  small car http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/small-car#post-1909 Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:30:36 +0000 watatic 1909@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ BTW, I was thinking of the trailer as an alternative to the roof overload, not in addition to it. small car http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/small-car#post-1908 Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:14:45 +0000 DamnTrue 1908@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ You might be approaching the maximum load rating of the Thule rack, especially with the extention of the moment arm due to your McGuyver additions.   You may also want to look at your owners manual for the max roof loading of your Toyota. 240lbs of gear (not to mention additional loads from wind loading may not have been in the design critera for a Yaris.