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Adventure Canoe Forum » Tag: Prospector - Recent Posts http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/tags/prospector Canoe Camping & River Tripping Discussion en-US Thu, 09 Sep 2010 00:29:02 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 <![CDATA[Search]]> q http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/search.php Stitch and Glue Canoe Plans - I am building a canoe http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/stitch-and-glue-canoe-plans-i-am-building-a-canoe#post-1274 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:51:07 +0000 James 1274@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ Posted by angstrom on <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.paddling.net/message/showThread.html?fid=advice&tid=1210057#1210309" target="_blank">paddling.net </a> <blockquote> <a href="http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2226231090087581313BCGwMR" rel="nofollow">http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2226231090087581313BCGwMR</a> <img src="http://www.adventurecanoe.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/woodcanoe.jpg" alt="Plywood Canoe" width="750" height="467" /> Make sure your workspace has good lighting. Invest in a good respirator -- I like the 3M 7500. Masking can prevent a lot of scraping. Scraping beats sanding. Use a sander with a vacuum connection, and a good filter on the vacuum. Gunwales need a LOT of clamps. </blockquote> Looks pretty good. Head over to the <a href="http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2226231090087581313BCGwMR" target="_blank">photo gallery</a> and check out the rest of the pics. Stitch and Glue Canoe Plans - I am building a canoe http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/stitch-and-glue-canoe-plans-i-am-building-a-canoe#post-1270 Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:57:06 +0000 MotoMike 1270@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ watched a small lapstrake boat being built at the Antique Boat Museum in Clayton NY some years back.  <a href="http://www.abm.org/smallcraft-bldg.asp" target="_blank">http://www.abm.org/smallcraft-bldg.asp</a> It sure looked like artisan work.  very exacting trimming and fitting of each piece to mate and properly overlap the previous.  The stitch and glue method is designed to allow those with no previous experience to be able to build a boat.  I am sure it will come out great James.  Stitch and Glue Canoe Plans - I am building a canoe http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/stitch-and-glue-canoe-plans-i-am-building-a-canoe#post-1269 Thu, 19 Nov 2009 11:32:40 +0000 James 1269@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ It's my understanding that lapstrake requires a strong back and stations and thats it's harder to get the larger peices of wood to bend the way you want them to. While a plywood boat may not be as pretty as the other options I like the cheap easy route for my first homebuild canoe. Stitch and Glue Canoe Plans - I am building a canoe http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/stitch-and-glue-canoe-plans-i-am-building-a-canoe#post-1267 Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:43:02 +0000 Bryan Hansel 1267@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ I wonder how much harder a lapstrake would be? Might be something worth looking into. The white canoe in the above picture looks really nice. Stitch and Glue Canoe Plans - I am building a canoe http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/stitch-and-glue-canoe-plans-i-am-building-a-canoe#post-1266 Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:17:11 +0000 MotoMike 1266@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ There are a lot of build blogs on Song of the Paddle under self build.  I have noticed that those with more panels are better looking.  the ones that are made out of 4 panels are not handsome, but probably easier to build.  I think they call those 'tortured plywood" Stitch and Glue Canoe Plans - I am building a canoe http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/stitch-and-glue-canoe-plans-i-am-building-a-canoe#post-1265 Thu, 19 Nov 2009 05:42:07 +0000 natecanoes 1265@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ Sounds like it could be an interesting project. I was thinking it would be fun to build a stripper (boat), never thought about stitch and glue.   Stitch and Glue Canoe Plans - I am building a canoe http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/stitch-and-glue-canoe-plans-i-am-building-a-canoe#post-1258 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:52:50 +0000 Dennis 1258@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ "You Yankees are so silly about matters of the heart  Don't you know that women are the only works of art"   - driving with your eyes closed. don henley Stitch and Glue Canoe Plans - I am building a canoe http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/stitch-and-glue-canoe-plans-i-am-building-a-canoe#post-1256 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:16:03 +0000 Bryan Hansel 1256@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ I beat the snot out of my cedar strippers. On Iowa's Volga a friend and I put a 3 foot rip in the glass of one of my boats. We duct taped it, paddled out, and I repaired it when I got home. Canoes aren't made to be art, they're made to be abused. Stitch and Glue Canoe Plans - I am building a canoe http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/stitch-and-glue-canoe-plans-i-am-building-a-canoe#post-1254 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:56:33 +0000 James 1254@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ <blockquote><cite><a href="http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/stitch-and-glue-canoe-plans-i-am-building-a-canoe#post-1252" target="_blank">Dennis</a> - 11 minutes ago  » </cite> You'll likely need some heat when it comes time for epoxy.</blockquote> I saw a post on this somewhere...they covered the hull in a tarp and put an electric space heater underneath. Not ideal but it worked. This project may be put off until springtime anyway...just speculating here. Stitch and Glue Canoe Plans - I am building a canoe http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/stitch-and-glue-canoe-plans-i-am-building-a-canoe#post-1252 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:43:59 +0000 Dennis 1252@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ You'll likely need some heat when it comes time for epoxy. You may end up building a new garage while you are at it. Stitch and Glue Canoe Plans - I am building a canoe http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/stitch-and-glue-canoe-plans-i-am-building-a-canoe#post-1253 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:40:33 +0000 James 1253@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ Bryan- I agree the strippers are better looking. Hmm, that sounded dirty. Anyway, I mostly paddle on creeks and rivers and bang up the bottom of my boats a lot. I think if I spent the time and cash on a cedar strip canoe it would become an art piece and not get enough time in the water. I really do like the look of cedar strips but I think that it’s something that will have to wait until I have my own garage to use as a workshop and some more time on my hands. I may change my mind in the future but for now I’m planning on building the stitch and glue.  I keep telling myself that the plywood will probably be painted and not require the level of fine woodworking that goes into a clear coated cedar boat. -James Stitch and Glue Canoe Plans - I am building a canoe http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/stitch-and-glue-canoe-plans-i-am-building-a-canoe#post-1250 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:13:05 +0000 Bryan Hansel 1250@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ I've built s&g, sof, and strippers, and I've always found that stitch-n-glue the least enjoyable for me. It's not that much more work to build a cedar strip boat, and I, personally, like the look of a stripper better than a s&g. If you're deadset on a s&g, you may want to look at Green Valley's Osprey S&G. They don't have a link on their website, but you can see the cedar Osprey <a href="http://www.greenval.com/osprey.html" target="_blank">here</a>. You can see one at this <a href="http://www.myccr.com/SectionForums/viewtopic.php?t=27445" target="_blank">MYCCR thread</a>. I've wanted to build a <a href="http://www.bearmountainboats.com/onlinestore/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=127" target="_blank">Freedom Solo</a> for a long-time now. I bought the plans just after they came out, but I just don't have the need or space for a new solo canoe. Stitch and Glue Canoe Plans - I am building a canoe http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/stitch-and-glue-canoe-plans-i-am-building-a-canoe#post-1251 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:12:48 +0000 James 1251@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ dad- Plywood stitch and glue canoe construction is supposed to be far easier to assemble and finish compared to cedar strip. I am having Tom draw up some plans which we’ll cut from marine plywood and stitch together with copper wire or zip ties. It won’t require a strong-back or stations like those used in cedar strip. We also get away without having to route a bead and cove into each strip to join smoothly because it’s all filled with epoxy. According to what I know, which isn’t much, it gets cut out of two sheets of plywood into funny shapes. When these are stitched together they take on a canoe-like shape and the seams are filled in and sanded down. Next it’s covered with fiberglass and some gunwales are installed. I should be much easier than cedar strip. Plus, I was planning to paint the outside white. I like the looks of <a href="http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/canoeing-checklist-a-list-of-essential-items-for-your-canoe-adventure#post-237" target="_self">this canoe</a>...although the construction is different. <a href="http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/canoeing-checklist-a-list-of-essential-items-for-your-canoe-adventure#post-237" target="_self"><img src="http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu166/mountainlad/canoe/DSCF5392.jpg" alt="" width="800" height="600" /></a> Anyway, I thought we could use Taylor's garage. I will check with him on that point. -James Stitch and Glue Canoe Plans - I am building a canoe http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/stitch-and-glue-canoe-plans-i-am-building-a-canoe#post-1249 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:33:51 +0000 Dennis 1249@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ These seem like they would go together a little faster than cedar strip canoes. My problem is that when I start a project I don't want to think about or do anything else until it is done. Unfortunately I don't have three weeks to spend building something like that and no where to do if I could stretch it out all Winter. At least with a cedar canoe I could trick your mother into thinking it was a cedar closet project for a couple of weeks and by then there would be no stopping me.   I saw a story a long time ago about a guy who built a cedar canoe and then asked a couple of good old boys to watch it for him while he ran inside the campground store to buy some ice. When he came back the good old boys and the canoe were gone. He said the only good part was that the canoe lives in his memory in a perfect state of new completion without scar or blemish. He never had to suffer the trauma of those inevitable first horrible scratches and dents.  Stitch and Glue Canoe Plans - I am building a canoe http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/stitch-and-glue-canoe-plans-i-am-building-a-canoe#post-1247 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 10:57:05 +0000 James 1247@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ The other day I was reading an article on <a href="http://www.nessmuking.com/articles/nessmuking-and-stitch-and-glue-boat-building/" target="_blank">Nessmuking</a> about stitch and glue canoe building. I always thought that plywood boats were just crappy craft built in garages and paddled by weird people who didn’t know any better. I mean why would you put something together out of plywood with a bunch of copper wire and cover it in fiberglass when you can go out and buy a perfectly good royalex canoe.  I figured all the panels would create chines that would make it unstable or catch on things. While all of this is probably true the desire to build some sort of craft is overwhelming. I’d love to build an ultralight airplane, electric car or something along those lines but I think the satisfaction of the build will come pretty easily in building a canoe. So I emailed Eskimo Tom over at <a href="http://www.finewoodwatercraft.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.finewoodwatercraft.com</a> and he sent me a huge PDF of canoes he has designed. The one that caught my eye had this description: Based on lines from Prospector Canoe Not yet finalized Max beam on waterline, lots of rocker and volume for given beam, Tumblehome above waterline, slight recurve in bow and stern. <img src="http://www.adventurecanoe.com/image/Eskimo-Tom-Prospector.png" alt="" width="800" height="573" /> Ah, the classic prospector. I have Nova Crafts 17’ derivation (<a href="http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/naming-your-boat-whats-your-canoes-name" target="_self">The Belafonte</a>) so why not come up with my own. Tom’s plans clearly stated “not yet finalized” so I thought I’d send him some of my suggestions for personalization. I want a short solo boat with a 30” beam. Tom’s plans where for a 15’7” boat that was 14.67” deep amidships. I asked him to shorten it to 14’ and make it a bit deeper. I like to paddle solo with the boat healed over a bit and I’ve dipped a gunwale on the Nova Craft. Anyway, make some comments... Meramec River with Bear Bass of Ozark Outdoors - Tilley's first river trip http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/meramec-river-with-bear-bass-of-ozark-outdoors-tilleys-first-river-trip#post-908 Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:23:51 +0000 Ozark Outdoors 908@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ Thanks, James!  You are welcome at our home anytime.  Meramec River with Bear Bass of Ozark Outdoors - Tilley's first river trip http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/meramec-river-with-bear-bass-of-ozark-outdoors-tilleys-first-river-trip#post-812 Thu, 01 Oct 2009 09:56:08 +0000 James 812@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ <img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2490/3972074814_0bafa3e6e1_o.jpg" alt="" /> Yesterday, I had the opportunity to go paddling with Bear Bass, the owner of <a title="Meramec River Canoe Rental" href="http://ozarkoutdoors.net/" target="_blank">Ozark Outdoors canoe rental</a>. We had a long conversation about drinking on the Courtois and Huzzah Creeks and talked about getting together some interpretive family trips to teach people about the wildlife and geology of the Meramec and its watershed. I was impressed with his knowledge of the rivers and streams he paddles. <img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2607/3972078106_2f3a65c5bd_o.jpg" alt="Clean Stream River Clean Up" width="800" height="600" /> Along the way we found a huge eddy full of beer cans and without hesitation Bear beached his canoe and began throwing cans in it. We filled the area between the thwarts all the way to the gunwales with discarded cans, shoes, plastic containers and a relatively nice pair of sunglasses. Bear has a unique knowledge and love of the streams he operates on. I normally try not to show favoritism on this site but if you’re going to paddle the Huzzah Creek, Courtois Creek or the Meramec River then get your boat or shuttle from the people at <a title="Huzzah Canoe Rental" href="http://ozarkoutdoors.net/" target="_blank">Ozark Outdoors</a> and tell them James sent you.     <img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2473/3971307991_d1963b18c5_o.jpg" alt="" width="800" height="600" /> Bear pointing out one of the many geological features of the river bluffs as <a title="Miniature Australian Shepherd Puppy" href="http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/tilley-ozark-dixson-i-got-a-australian-shepherd-puppy-for-my-birthday" target="_blank">Tilley</a> sits quietly and a bit confused. <img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3590/3972078346_7528bf2d73_o.jpg" alt="" width="800" height="600" /> The Campbell Bridge and our brief paddle was over much to soon. Thanks Bear, I had a great trip. Whitewater Canoe Design Question http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/whitewater-canoe-design-question#post-613 Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:55:28 +0000 James 613@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ I have a 17' Nova Craft Prospector. I has confidence inspiring stability and it the best all around boat I have ever paddled. The more specific white water boats are more maneuverable but this requires a deft hand to keep them going where you want. The Prospector is more forgiving and its larger volume allows it to float over instead of through waves and holes. I used to paddle a Dagger RPM Max kayak and I could bomb through just about anything. When I took a hard chined playboat out for the first time I hated it. I could feel the advantages for very specific occasions but the overall feeling was one of uselessness compared to the RPM. I could make the same comparison about road bikes, motorcycles and sports cars. You will probably never out paddle the Prospector, it's a great boat...enjoy! Prospector Fans-Pls Comment http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/prospector-fans-pls-comment#post-612 Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:50:27 +0000 crow 612@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ <blockquote><cite><a href="http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/prospector-fans-pls-comment#post-611" target="_blank">Dennis</a> - 2 hours ago  » </cite> It sounds like you have made up your mind based on the type of paddling that you do and that is the way it should be. Canoes come in different sizes and shapes just like shoes. You can't really expect one boat to excel at all tasks or for all canoeist to agree on which boat is best. Most people are going to talk up what they feel are the strong points of their boats while discounting the perceived flaws in others. Looking at specs doesn't always help much either. I suspect that a lot of people have actually only paddled (on average) three different models of canoes and for very short periods of time, making any sort of comparison pretty superficial.</blockquote> I think you've hit the nail on the head, Dennis. Not many of us have the chance to try out lots of different canoes, so our judgement is pretty superficial. I've recently bought a Bell Chestnut Prospector. The reasons for choosing this boat were: - I wanted a lighter boat than my old heavy polyethylene Ranger - I read lots of reviews and liked the sound of it - there was a used one for sale in excellent condition at a good price from a forum member - I liked the colour and the looks of it! (aesthetics do count, lol) So far I'm very happy with it. Goes best when tandem with lots of gear. Solo and unladen it can catch the wind a bit on lakes. Had it on rivers but only very placid ones so far. I've still got to give it a good long run though. I tend to use my Pack when solo, partly because I'm to lazy to hoist the Prospector on top of the car by myself.           Prospector Fans-Pls Comment http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/topic/prospector-fans-pls-comment#post-611 Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:08:35 +0000 Dennis 611@http://www.adventurecanoe.com/forum/ It sounds like you have made up your mind based on the type of paddling that you do and that is the way it should be. Canoes come in different sizes and shapes just like shoes. You can't really expect one boat to excel at all tasks or for all canoeist to agree on which boat is best. Most people are going to talk up what they feel are the strong points of their boats while discounting the perceived flaws in others. Looking at specs doesn't always help much either. I suspect that a lot of people have actually only paddled (on average) three different models of canoes and for very short periods of time, making any sort of comparison pretty superficial.