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| February 9, 2010 at 4:05 pm #30972 | |
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Dennis |
A while back I had the foolish notion that I would like to test some AA batteries to find out what might work best for my Nikon cameras and flashes. My Nikon digital SLR camera with the battery grip and three Nikon Speedlight flashes use twenty AA batteries right out of the starting blocks. Throw a few radio triggers in the bag to sync the flash units to the camera and that adds six AAA batteries and at least one CR2 battery for the transmitter. That is a whole lot of batteries before even considering the fact that you are likely to need that many again as backup units.
It does not take much creative thinking to arrive at the conclusion that you will soon be bankrupted by using disposable batteries in these large quantities. Besides a bunch of camera equipment you probably also have a lot of other battery powered toys at home. Some people say they can’t be bothered with charging a battery before using it and prefer to go the disposable route. Those people keep spending money on batteries every time they wear out a set of old ones. For occasional, intermittent use or long term storage Lithium batteries can be a cost effective choice for disposable batteries but for people like me who use batteries constantly in power gulping devices like electronic flashes the rechargeable option looks much better.
The good news is that you can now buy several brands of batteries that come pre-charged and they can be used straight out of the box. These batteries are often referred to as hybrids because of the way they combine the benefits of disposable and rechargeable batteries into one convenient package.
One of the stumbling blocks of rechargeable batteries in the past was their characteristic high self-discharge rate. Some people refer to this as “shelf discharge” meaning that the batteries loose power even when they are not in use. The newer hybrid or low self-discharge batteries retain up to eighty percent or more of their charge for six to eight months depending on the brand and the power rating of the battery.
Rechargeable batteries in general and hybrid or low self-discharge batteries in particular do not put out quite as much voltage as a new disposable battery. Most electronic devices have enough tolerance to permit the lower voltage of the rechargeable batteries but you may run into a few voltage sensitive devices where they will not work properly.
The catch is that disposable batteries loose power as you use them so they are not always functioning at the full 1.5 volts either. Even though the rechargeable batteries start out at a slightly lower voltage they tend to use the power at a more consistent rate as the battery is discharged. The way a battery consumes power has a lot to do with how you use the batteries, which is one reason why it is difficult to do a head to head comparison between battery types or brands. Testing may only give you an idea of how the batteries perform within the parameters of the testing method and not how it will perform for different uses.
One battery may do well in a device that draws power continuously such as a flashlight that is left on for an extended period of time until the batteries are completely drained. Other batteries are better at delivering large bursts of energy at random intervals in devices like cameras with built in flash units. The problem is that you may use batteries in a way that is completely different from the way they were tested, making the test results slightly misleading.
After doing a some investigation I came to the realization that I would need to test a lot of batteries in order to gather enough data to be meaningful. Testing four brand A batteries against four brand B batteries is not going to provide much useful information because of the small sample size. One bad battery can skew the test results in such a small sampling. I have also discovered that there is a lot of debate about how a battery should be tested to begin with. There is no simple battery test that will tell you if one brand is significantly better than another but the tests do give some indication of how the batteries perform in general. You can probably use a voltmeter to weed out a bad apple in a bushel of batteries but actual battery testing is a bit more complicated because you have to devise a test that shows how the battery will perform in actual use.
There are a couple of very good “smart” battery chargers out there (a whole subject in itself) and I was ready to rush out and buy one so I could get a handle on what my batteries were doing. Then I found out that the charger I was planning to buy seemed to have developed the habit of going haywire, overcharging batteries and melting the plastic battery charger housing. Another brand of charger I looked at required about forty keystrokes to program in the functions to charge and test the batteries. No thanks.
There are two basic types of battery chargers; slow chargers (it’s hard to make a bad slow charger) and fast chargers that tend to fry your batteries and kill them prematurely. The more complex smart chargers can do things like recondition your batteries by going through several charge and discharge cycles, which sounds like obedience training for batteries. That process can take quite a long time, maybe a couple of days but may be able to restore function to some batteries. A good battery charger will charge the batteries on separate channels or circuits so that one bad battery does not affect the whole lot.
There are many sources for battery tests including the battery manufacturer’s websites which can teach you a lot about batteries (and marketing). You might also want to check out user reviews on retail sites like http://www.amazon.com it’s not a perfect way to make a decision but it may be helpful (or a minor relief) to know you are not the only one contemplating a particular brand of battery to sink your hard earned cash into. User reviews are what made me rethink my battery charger decision, at least for the moment.
I have quite a few Energizer AA batteries and chargers that I have been using for about a year now. They had a sale on the chargers with batteries at my local grocery store that came along at just the right time when I needed to buy a bunch of batteries. I bought two sets and then bought another and another each time I went back to the store to buy groceries. Of course I’m a defect magnet so I ended up taking back one charger and set of batteries, which was not that big of a deal since I have to eat all the time and I go to the grocery store just about every week. Since I started using the
So far I’ve only had one defective battery problem while I was out working and that was while I was out of town and of course it was the one time that I did not bring along any spares. That meant I could not use my battery grip but I still got to lug it and eight batteries around all day. With the Energizers, I can buy replacements in just about any city in the US so it’s not a deal breaker. I got by without using the battery grip that day and kept on working.
So for me the first round was won (by default) based on price, availability and dumb luck. Now I am looking into batteries which can hold their charge for days, weeks or months before being used. A lot of people have put a great amount of time and effort into testing various brands and types of batteries so the challenge is not to replicate that work but to use it to determine which batteries will perform best for the applications I have in mind. As I stated earlier, how you use and maintain your batteries has a lot to do with how well they perform.
There is a very good battery comparison at http://candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=79302 where you can compare the discharge rates of many different batteries. My Energizer 2500 batteries made the top ten when the list was last updated.
There is also a pretty good discussion of low self discharge batteries at http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1023&thread=26078814
An interesting result of all this testing is that the performance of the low self-discharge batteries seems pretty consistent between the top brands. What this means in practical terms is that you can choose the lowest cost battery option that is readily available where you live and by purchasing the batteries locally you can always pick up spares as needed. I was able to offset some of the cost of my initial rechargeable battery purchase by surfing local sales and using discount coupons.
Normal rechargeable batteries usually have higher total capacity than the low self-discharge type so if you can remember to charge them the day before you are going to use them that is not a bad way to go either. I’m interested in the low self-discharge batteries for camping trips, travel and other applications where I may not use the batteries for a couple of weeks and do not have convenient access to electric power to recharge batteries along the way.
Here is an interesting test between the Sanyo Eneloops vs the PowerEx Imedion batteries using a Nikon flash to simulate real world stress conditions. http://www.photomalaysia.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74823
The Imedion manages to take the most shots because of its higher power rating but the Eneloop seems to recycle the flash faster for a fewer number of total shots. Recycle rates mean everything to photographers so the Eneloops would seem to be the preferred choice for fast action flash photography.
So it’s not just about which battery has the most power but also how the power is delivered in real world situations.
You may also find out that rechargeable batteries are larger in diameter than some disposable batteries so you should check to see if they will fit correctly in all your devices. I can’t get the Energizer batteries to go in my Mini Mag Light flashlights but alkaline or lithium cells may be a better choice for those because they are not in use all the time and sit in a drawer for months at a time.
I ran across a lot of good resources and information on the internet that are worth sharing so here are a few in no particular order.
http://www.calrecycle.ca.gov/ReduceWaste/power/rechbattinfo.htm This is a very good eco-friendly site put out by the state of California with loads of great information on batteries. Watch out, they may convince you that you don’t even need batteries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_self-discharge_NiMH_battery A short article on the basics of how a low self-discharge battery works.
http://climber.org/gear/batteries.html Battery wisdom from on high! Several mountaineers tell you everything they have learned the hard way about using batteries in cold and demanding environments.
http://www.rechargeable-battery-review.com/ All about rechargeable batteries and battery reviews. Do You Use or Are You Planning To Buy Rechargeable Batteries?
http://michaelbluejay.com/batteries/ A good battery guide and comparison. If you have no idea what to choose this guy will tell you. It’s a good plain talking guide about the good, the bad and the ugly battery.
One of the most consistently recommended sources for purchasing batteries and chargers online is Thomas Distributing. http://www.thomasdistributing.com/
For some of the world’s most powerful low self-discharge batteries you will ever see… as in, “Do you feel lucky punk?” go to http://www.horizonbattery.com where you can buy the Ansmann Max E 2500 mah AA batteries directly from the manufacturer.
I like also to use Amazon.com for the service, convenience and customer reviews. http://www.amazon.com/
You can use the Amazon.com link on my blog http://www.insidetheviewfinder.com/
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| February 9, 2010 at 5:30 pm #30973 | |
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Dennis |
I just wanted to add a couple of thoughts. First, I know that there are some of you who are in to RC racing and other things where small fractions in performance really matter. Generally speaking the top battery brands will give similar results but if you must squeeze the last ounce of power out of a battery you should look at all the options very carefully and then perform real world tests in the devices you are using. Second, I wanted to mention that the Powerex batteries ship with a plastic holder, which does not seem like that big a deal until you have a bunch of batteries to keep track of and need somewhere to store them between charging and using them. It’s just a nice extra touch that shows that they care about their product.
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| February 12, 2010 at 5:53 pm #30974 | |
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natecanoes |
you getting bored there Dennis? |
| February 12, 2010 at 7:35 pm #30975 | |
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Dennis |
A bad case of cabin fever. |
| February 13, 2010 at 5:55 pm #30976 | |
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BWCAJohn |
Awesome post Dennis, I will definitely be using this as a reference. I love the picture with the army guys. |
| February 13, 2010 at 6:39 pm #30977 | |
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Dennis |
Thanks for taking a look. I can verify that the low self discharge batteries do work. I charged a bunch of batteries last month and let them sit for a few weeks. The regular rechargeables were completely flat while the low self-discharge ones still had around 90% power available. A big chunk of the power loss on the low self-discharge batteries occurs within days of charging them and then levels off. If the batteries are in proper working order you should be able to use them months after they were last charged though it’s always better to top them off when you have the opportunity to plan ahead but they are great for the times when you don’t. I usually leave my regular rechargeables in the charger because the charger is supposed to know enough not to overcharge the batteries, though this probably is wasting some electricity. If I’m sure I’m not going to use the batteries for a long time I unplug everything and then try to remember to charge them the night before a project or trip. I think I’m going to buy another set (or two) of the Eneloop AAA batteries for my flash triggers. I also want to get some rechargeable CR2 batteries for the transmitter and those will need a different charger. The regular CR2 batteries can cost $10-$12 dollars and are never on sale when you need them. I’m still on the fence about chargers. The one I wanted is no longer available due to some manufacturing defect. |
| March 10, 2010 at 3:18 pm #30978 | |
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JR |
Well Done Dennis! I wish I had ran across this blog a couple of weeks ago, you would have saved me a lot of time researching! I have visited a lot of the same sites that you have and agree whole heartedly with your assesment. I believe the battery charger that you want (La Crosse BC-9009) is now availible. I just bought one and it came with batteries and adapters for a reasonable price. They say that the melt down issue was due to a poor power supply and the problem has been fixed. I sure hope so! |
| March 12, 2010 at 2:50 pm #30979 | |
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Dennis |
Thanks for the update JR. I’m looking to buy another charger and I think I should have at least one that can analyze the condition of the batteries. I did order a Tenergy charger a week ago that works for CR123 batteries. As soon as I tore open the package, I realized that I don’t own any devices that actually use CR123 batteries. I was thinking of CR2 batteries, which are smaller. Somewhere in the back of my brain I was thinking that those numbers were specific to the manufacturer and not the type of battery. They do look about the same in a product shot. At least now there is no need for anyone to make the same mistake that I did.
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| March 15, 2010 at 12:48 pm #30980 | |
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Dennis |
The river gods blessed me this week with a La Crosse BC-700 charger. The working bits are nearly identical to the BC-9009 but it comes without the accessory battery converters and carrying case. I’m generally interested in the lower charging rates to preserve the life of the battery but the BC-700 does have three charging options if you are pressed for time. It’s interesting to see the “personality” of the batteries that are revealed by a smart charger like this. My Eveready brand chargers are simple stupid but seem to be doing a pretty good job topping off my batteries, which gets back to the previous statement that it is hard to make a bad slow charger. Having said that, I do have one charger that blinks an error light that really does not tell me what the problem is, just that it’s not working correctly. When I get a chance I am going to try running all my batteries through the La Crosse to see if there are any bad apples in the bunch.
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| June 15, 2010 at 11:43 am #30981 | |
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Dennis |
I got an email the other day from Maha Energy, so I thought I would pass this information along. These are already great batteries to begin with, now with an even higher power rating. I use them in my Nikon SB900 flash.
Maha Energy is happy to announce a major performance upgrade of its IMEDION battery, from AA 2100 to AA 2400mAh! The IMEDION batteries are ready-to-use out of package and retain up to 85% of its charge after one year of storage.
Maha Energy Corporation 1128 Coiner Court, City of Industry, CA 91748
Toll Free: 1-800-376-9992 Office: 626-363-9017 Fax: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Powerex IMEDION Batteries – “Ready When You Are” – City of Industry, CA – June 4, 2010 — Maha Energy, the A common problem that plagues rechargeable batteries is the need to recharge them about once every one to three months even if not used. Maha tackled this issue by developing advanced electrode materials to reduce the rate of power loss during storage. As a result, the IMEDION batteries retain up to 85% of its charge even after one year of storage (at a room temperature of 20 deg C). The IMEDION batteries are shipped fully-charged and ready to-use. The IMEDION batteries differ from the competition in that they boast a longer lifetime as well as increased power retention under warmer environments. The IMEDION batteries can be recharged for hundreds of times and perform extraordinarily well at elevated temperatures. In addition, the IMEDION batteries feature a low-impedance design and can deliver a high burst of current, suitable for camera flashes, remote control cars, and more. The IMEDION batteries are fully compatible with all Powerex chargers. The suggested retail price is US$16.95 for a 4 AA pack. Founded in 1993, Maha Energy Corporation designs,
For more information, please contact: Ms. Belen Gonzalez Maha Energy Corporation Tel: 1-626-363-9017 ext. 221
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| July 5, 2010 at 1:10 am #30982 | |
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| July 22, 2010 at 8:41 am #30983 | |
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Dennis |
I went on a photo shoot the other day. When I finished packing all the flash and camera camera gear I came up with exactly 68 batteries including spares not including the battery in the camera body. You can imagine my excitement when I came home last night to find more batteries had arrived in the mail. Of course I’m speaking of the Powerex IMEDION Batteries I posted about last month. You can throw these things in a drawer and forget about them for a year and they will still have around 85% of their original charge left, not that you would want to throw them in a drawer because they are also very powerful at 2400mAh and for me that means lots of flash and camera power for hours of photography fun. I know that many people are not as excited about batteries as I am but trust me, these Powerex Imedion batteries are really pretty cool and you can recharge them somewhere around 1000 times. I’m pretty sure they will last longer than I will.
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