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February 20, 2010 at 12:34 pm #32092

Dennis

I made a trip over to one of our local outdoor stores the other day to see if there was anything new or interesting (or on sale) and I got a bad case of sticker shock before I left. I also must have invented about a dozen variations on the phrase, “Heavenly Manure.”

I’m wondering if anyone has ever calculated the yearly cost of owning and paddling a canoe in the pursuit of getting away from it all. More importantly, what would be the buy-in cost for a person who wants to get into canoeing? Does anyone feel like offering an estimate for the minimum kit it would take for a couple of people to enter the fabulous world of canoeing?

Of course you would not want to throw money away on cheap gear that would need to be replaced after one season and you might not have the budget for the top of the line or even new gear. My first boat was bought used and was well worn when I got it. I guess the ultimate is a hand me down kit but let’s suppose for a moment that you have relocated to a new city and that you are living within a short drive to a suitable body of water for canoeing. We’re not talking rough water or survival conditions here, probably more of an urban experience with easy put ins and take outs for summer evening and weekend paddles.

So let’s hear your best expert advice for someone who might be interested in getting into canoeing. 

 

Canoe

Paddles

PFDs

Rope

Something to put the keys, wallet and cell phone in (waterproof).

Lead boots (just kidding). 

February 20, 2010 at 1:21 pm #32093

Dennis

Thanks, I feel better now. 

From what you wrote I think a person could do well with a budget of $1000 to include a serviceable used canoe, which could probably be sold again for about the same price when it came time to upgrade.

It’s a little overwhelming to go shopping for this stuff without having some idea of what to spend. Of course by the time the plastic clears the wallet it’s often too late for reason.

February 20, 2010 at 1:23 pm #32094

natecanoes

yep its spendy.

but on the cheap but decent list here goes:

Grumman canoe (new) $1300 (used) $600

Paddles, wood straight shaft $40 each

PFD, can be got for >$50 each

Rope, $5

Total rolls out to $1485 of so.

Of course it seems that after a couple years, as the obsession becomes greater, your gear becomes more spendy.

Two years later, your list looks like this:

Kevlar expedition canoe: (new of course) $6000+

Carbon fiber paddles (by now for some reason you think you need two spares apiece): $1800 for 6 paddles

PFD, doesn’t matter what kind as long as it is what astronauts will eventually wear in water on Mars: $150+

Rope, zero stretch, floating, memory free: $80

That comes out to better than $8000.

Then there is racing boats (looking at a Spencer Eagle myself), whitewater, etc. And camping stuff…….

Eventually you will just have millions of dollars worth of boats, paddles, PFD’s, and rope heaped everywhere.

I was out looking at canoes today too, and kind of thought “man, I could have bought a house by now…..” But it sure is fun, and that, you cannot put a price on.

February 21, 2010 at 11:01 am #32095

natecanoes

I wouldn’t mind getting a tandem canoe too. I’ve been looking, but nobody has any great deals on used ones so far.

Tax return time always makes my wish list grow by leaps and bounds. New bike, new canoe, new PFD, GPS, maybe a tent, so many things I would like, so few dollars to buy em with. Oh well.

Keep us posted on your canoe search.

February 21, 2010 at 12:04 pm #32096

Bryan Hansel

Thinking about this has lead me to a few conclusions:

1. We’re not getting older. So, lighter is better for both on the water performance, car toping, and portaging.

2. If I don’t buy something near the high-end, I know I’ll be sacrificing performance and probably end up buying the item again, but as a better item. This said, at some point, an item is good enough.

Canoe: Langford Northwind 17’10″ Ultra-light kevlar for $3370 (Note: I work for the U.S. Distributor of Langford and link to one of our dealers.)

Paddles: ZRE Lightweight 8 ounce bent shaft paddles for $245 each

Vests: Whatever fits best, has a low profile, a few pockets. Usually around $150 each.

Accessories: Rope, bungee for thwarts, Cooke Custom Sewing packs, etc.: About $200 to $500 more.

Total: $4560 for high-end top notch gear that’ll I’ll never regret.

Used over 10 years, $465 per year. If I paddle the same distance I estimate I did in the past 10 years, that’ll be 91 cents per mile.

February 21, 2010 at 4:16 pm #32097

Dennis

All the answers are valid but I think a lot of people would be discouraged by the high end range of the numbers. I was cruising through some local ads for boats and it seems that 99% of them were for some sort of motorized boat including a lot of jet-ski powered boats. That seems like a shame since we have some really great places to canoe around here. Maybe people feel like they need the sound of a loud motor to drown out the voices inside their heads.

Sometimes I wonder if people are afraid of the effort it might take to develop skills or even the desire to physically test themselves. Power at your fingertips can be rather seductive I guess. I found several canoes for sale locally for under $500 dollars, some that came with a few extras to boot. I imagine they were being sold by people wanting to “move up” to something that goes faster and makes more noise.

It’s generally a good idea to buy the best quality on the first go around but I don’t think many people are likely to do that. Many can’t fathom any sort of ten year commitment or relationship. No one I have run into recently seems to think that far ahead about anything. It would be great if more people did because then there would be a lot less waste.

I’m hoping we can figure out some ways to get people interested in things that will have a more positive effect on the world and themselves. I’m beginning to see it around here with bicycling and I hope people will extend it to other outdoor sports as well.

February 22, 2010 at 11:55 am #32098

James

I would say you could get into the game with a nice paddle, PFD and SeaLine bag. So, somewhere around $250.

Most of the rental places in Southern Missouri have some pretty nice boats. The shuttle usually runs $25 and a boat rental with shuttle around $35 from Ozark Outdoors. You also have to figure that you’re MPG is really going to suffer with a canoe strapped to the roof. For weekend jaunts I’d say rental is the way to go. Just get yourself a nice paddle.

When you start going on multiday trips then renting gets expensive.

 

Here’s my kit:

  • Nova Craft Prospector 17′ $1600
  • 2 Patagonia PFDs $200
  • Bending Branches Expedition Paddle $129
  • Sawyer Venture Paddle $79
  • Werner Bandit Paddle $190
  • Yeti Tundra Cooler $329
  • Various SeaLine bags $150

Then throw in a tent, sleeping bags, stove, etc and you just spent more than the average golfer.

 

 

 

February 24, 2010 at 6:57 pm #32099

stevet

No one mentioned a rack system for the car….new has got to be 2-300 for a name brand. I think it’s worth the money for the peace of mind…having done homemade ones and used Yakima, I’ll take the Yak anytime.

February 25, 2010 at 9:39 am #32100

James

Steve-
Good point. I sort of forgot about that one as I put my bikes on it too.

Just bars and towers run 300 bucks for my car.

-James

February 25, 2010 at 6:27 pm #32101

Bryan Hansel

The canoe accessory for a Yak rack is pretty inexpensive, so it’d end up around $300 for the rack. Foam blocks and straps run in kits from $20 to $70.

 

I don’t think that the price point that I put out there is that high–lots of newbies spend Here’s a new list on the middle of the road. This will get you a canoe that is worth owning, unlike a Coleman or Pelican.

Bell Northwind Royalex $1519

Bending Branches BB Special Bent Shaft $79.99 each

MTI Cruiser Lifevests $55 each

Accessories $200 – $300

That’ll put someone in a boat at about $2000 with a good supply of paddling accessories.

June 27, 2010 at 7:27 pm #32102

blackraven15

wow, I guess we got lucky! We are just starting out with the canoe camping … we rented our first year and found it extreamly expensive so we decided to gear up our selves … this is what we’ve bought

 

used ceadar ribbed fiberglass canoe 16 feet: 400

2 PFD canadian tire : 18.49 each

2 cheep wooden poplar  paddles (our canoe came with 1 aluminum paddle for a spare): 14.99 each

1 set of 4 tie downs: 14.99 for the set

2 pool noodles to cut up and use as padding on the car: 3$ for both

we have yet to buy some rope

 

so far we are under 500 … 484.95 im sure with the rope we will be under 500 …. not too shabby!

 

July 4, 2010 at 1:51 am #32103

Hueyav8r

Good job BlackRaven, shows you can enjoy a new sport without out spending a ton of money.

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October 6, 2010 at 10:39 am #32105

Always January (Randy)

I’m all about saving money where I can, and spending the money where it matters.

 

We bought our Wenonah Aurora used for about half the cost of new.  It’s in great shape, but was pre-scratched just enough that it saved me from grimacing every time we hit a shallow rock or run it into shore.  I really love that boat, and it was the best $600 I have ever spent.

 

We’ve been using the factory rack on our Escape and I have a single raised bar coming from my trucks hitch with a crossbar on top and use foam blocks on the cab.  The hitch thingy is the generic version of the Yakima GoalPost and work just fine with some additional straps for extra support.  I did grow tired of the foam blocks on the roof of the cab though, so I kept an eye on craigslist and pieced together two old Yakima SST towers and a 58″ crossbar for $25 dollars.  I eventually want to get two canoes on my Escape, so once again I started trolling craigslist and just scored 4 Yakima locking Railrider towers (not the newest generation, but still in great shape!) with 3 of the locking cores for $40 dollars (a replacement core is only $12 bucks from Yakima).  So all I need now are a pair of 78″ crossbars, and even if I get them new I’ll have a great rack slightly used for a little over a hundred bucks. 

 

I guess what I’m saying is that there are great deals out there if you don’t need the “latest and greatest”.

 

On the other end of the spectrum I spent $170 dollars on a beefy whitewater paddle from Sawyer and I like it so much I’m going to get their top end flatwater paddle which costs almost as much.  We started off with a couple of Bending Branches paddles that cost $50 and $65 dollars at REI.

 

I also like to have higher end PFDs (better quality and more comfortable fit), but I still managed to get a great deal on ours.  I scored two Astral Grunion PFDs off of steepandcheap.com for $60 dollars a piece.  If you haven’t been to steepandcheap.com, welcome to my addiction.

 

On top of that:

 

$500 for a used solo WW canoe (old Dagger Genesis)

$40 misc dry bags

$20-$30 straps

$50 for a kit to hang one canoe

$30 for a pair of saw horses for the other canoe

$40 for two pairs of contoured knee pads for the tandem canoe (self-adhesive)

$60 Two kids sized Bending Branches paddles

$40 Two kids sized PFDs

 

That puts me about $1900 for two canoes, 5 paddles, 4 PFDs, lots of accessories, and whole lot of fun on the water.  Really, we got started on the water with a good used boat, PFDs, and decent wooden paddles for less than $900.

 

All in all I agree with what Dennis said in another thread.  Probably one of the best investments in my family that I’ll ever make.

October 14, 2010 at 3:25 am #32106

JustusEhome

Shows you can enjoy a new sport without out spending a ton of money.

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